I found Solaar a couple months ago after getting repeatedly frustrated with bluetooth connection issues. It really is exactly what it needs to be. Better interface than Logitech's, simple, lightweight. Devs have my thanks; what a great show of the goodness of open source software.
Solaar handled the pairing in 30 seconds flat, and I can't be happier. The only thing is, since Bolt doesn't look like proper BT to the OS, battery levels can only be monitored from Solaar itself.
I also have an MX vertical which uses the unifying receiver. Then I also have a pro x superlight, which has yet another receiver. I believe they call that one lightspeed or something.
So now I have 3 separate adapters for 3 devices, all of which theoretically support pairing multiple devices (I think the lightspeed only does 3 though).
(1) https://support.logi.com/hc/en-us/articles/1500012483162-Wha...
Yes, Logitech’s high end mice store settings themselves. The app is just a programming interface. It sometimes does per program profile switch, too, IIRC.
Roccat user because of the size of the mouse is bigger than others and all the buttons can be reprogrammed, along with the wheel. No background software needed and all configuration changes are OS independent.
Not a Logitech user because the wheel could not be programmed to control the sound volume. Last time I tried their products. Even contacted their support to verify the wheel, most useful for controlling audio, is fixed to page scrolling only.
Razer mice are too small for my hands and I feel like an Eagle clawing at a minnow. At least they allow for fully reprogramming all the buttons and wheel, unlike Logitech. And you don't need background software for the programming with it being OS independent after programming.
Only bad part is that Roccat is no longer Linux supported. The original developer that reverse engineered stop supporting the products. Roccat also is like most business and blows off 1st party support for Linux. Windows VM is needed just to program the mouse, which only done once.
If that's your biggest gripe with Logitech, then I can say they're pretty successful. Personally, I'd not prefer to reach to my mouse just for volume, but everyone is to their own.
> A true programmable mouse doesn't need software running in the background.
Logitech Mice doesn't need the application to run in the background. I'm using my G700's profiles (which I set once under Windows) under Linux without any tools for (checks notes) 14 years at this point.
> Windows VM is needed just to program the mouse, which only done once.
How this is different from Logitech devices? It's exactly the same with Logitech.
This is not only useful in games to increase or decrease the sound in real-time while to shunt loud sounds and to improve hearing the environment you are in. It is also useful in business. Quickly controlling the volume when a person interrupts.
*Note that the scroll wheel secondary meta key is used as volume control. Primary function without active meta is page scrolling.
User experience scenario. Click on a link that starts playing a video or audio source. The source is too loud with the same volume setting that worked with the previous video. It is faster to press the meta button on the mouse and scroll the wheel or press the middle button to mute then actually moving to a physical speaker, volume control on the OS, or keyboard, which often needs a meta key too.
Volume control is more natural with the wheel because it is no different the the rotational volume control on speaker versus continual button press to decrement or increment the numeric setting.
I need to try that. Mine is USB wired with no battery.
I've got one of the lesser G USB 6-button "gaming" RGBs that was unused for well over a year. Never did try any Logi Windows apps or do any gaming either. Used as a mild-mannered office mouse instead :)
A while back I started using it again, this time on a Linux PC and it still glowed with the default pattern which I had never changed. Fine by me.
Then started dual booting Windows 11 and all was well until I connected to the internet, the Logitech firmware on the mouse got autoupdated, and lights out :(
Still glows during POST but LEDs go out unless Windows kicks it back on in some way or another.
You want it to do what it once was doing without an app? Your Windows 11 may already be updated far enough itself to give RGB control now.
Otherwise you can use the Logitech app.
Which doesn't have a Linux version.
Looks like mine needs a background app of some kind now if I want glowing again. Oh well.
Still looking forward to trying Solaar when I get back to that particular desktop :)
My first one was a g9x, followed by a g700s. Those may look a bit "gamery", but I later had a g703 which was as sober as they come.
And, even though it's not as critical for office use, I found it very pleasant to have next to no lag on a wireless mouse. I now have a mx master 3s, which has "ok" wireless performance and is surprisingly nimble for its size and weight. I can't complain about it while I use it, but I immediately feel the difference when I switch to a Logitech G Lightspeed or a friend's Razer with whatever their equivalent technology is called.
And since these aren't that expensive (the MX is actually the most expensive mouse I've ever had), this tends to reinforce my considering them as full competitors to logi's "office" line.
Imagine you have both a desktop and a laptop, with your laptop screen positioned below the display connected to the desktop. You can make your Logitech mouse act as if they were one device; if you slide past the top edge of your laptop screen, both the mouse and the keyboard switch over to the desktop.
You can even press ctrl+c on one device, move your mouse to the other and press ctrl+v (with the same keyboard of course), and it's going to do the right thing. I think even drag and drop across computers works, at least in some circumstances.
I avoid therefore any peripheral devices which need additional software.
Ducky provides DIP-Switches and keyboard shortcuts. Perfect :)
And I didn’t bricked it with a firmware update, which I did with the K850. Because Logitech suffered so many security issues.
Yep. Definitely sounds like something requiring a 150 Mb program to manage the complexity..
Keyboard is infinitely more flexible since you can wire it without much obstruction.
That of course would make it optional like with most programmable keyboards but then there's the need to manage pairing via their wireless dongles and then it quickly becomes necessary.
Outside of it all being intentionally proprietary I don't see why they couldn't take an approach similar to VIA in managing their devices. There's also prior work for flashing microcontrollers from the web browser, I'm thinking of ESP32s specifically.
If you want to use some of their more advanced features, you need to use the app.
For example, I have it setup so that if my macbook is on, I can push my cursor to the far left of my windows screen and my mouse will automatically switch to the macbook bringing along anything in the clipboard.
https://support.logi.com/hc/en-ca/articles/360059641133-Onbo...
It's so powerful. Any custom buttons for any program, without ever having to think about it. On Linux, without it, I'm stuck manually cycling through the 3 on-board profiles.
I just get the mouse to always use the same onboard profile and send the higher F-keys that aren't on the keyboard (F13-F24), and ahk detects those and does whatever crazy stuff I can think up. I even have long-press/short-press for some buttons set up. Works great.
There must be a way to do something similar in Linux.
Just to highlight: The offline installer (supposedly for business environments) does not include AI. It can be installed directly on top of the regular application.
https://prosupport.logi.com/hc/en-us/articles/10991109278871...
Also, why does my mouse config software need AI features? Uninstalled.
My new mouse. No need Logitech. It's a mouse.
To give Logitech some credit, there's an off switch for "diagnostic data" right there in the settings.
I use Solaar because there wasn't a Linux application.
Management absolutely cares, they have a whole design guidebook why wouldn’t they follow it??
And the drivers likely aren’t cross-platform in the sense of “the windows DLL is just dead code on a Mac”, but the UI of the software can be the same across platforms. The executable is likely a tiny bit of platform-specific launcher code and then cross-platform electron fun.
So the same question applies: yes they have a whole design guidebook but why ? Does the users care ? My opinion would be that most don’t and that those who care are horrified by all those apps with all their own guidelines.
Computers used to be (and I’ll be giving credits to old windows for that) « once you learned the system/ergonomics you only have to adapt to each program’s feature set » and is now « relearn everything on my app and btw it’s not compatible with other apps except our partners ».
I mean as an example, we pretty much had a working standard in how to discover features of a program (the menu bar) and how to give back data to the user (saving and opening files). Just knowing those patterns made you apt to discover most of programs features.
I’m not saying it was perfect or intuitive, but it was not hard and OSes could have improved that.
But we collectively ditched that for, it seems, easier deployment on the web (which is not something Logitech is concerned by, btw) and since there is no UI framework, why not hire UI designers to write UI guidelines ? It’ll make marketing guys happy anyway.
I’m sorry I recognize that I’m a little salty on this topic but I do feel like the industry stole something important to the users, or at least if I’m honest, to me, which is the basic knowledge of how to use a computer.
I was one of those people who thought XP/ME went too far (im a System 7 Stan tbh, but 98 was solid enough). And then when Office got the ribbon I was so unhappy lol. I don’t like a lot of how MS has embraced trendy UI, outside of windows phone which I actually really liked (and that made sense, it was a system that didn’t have much to go on, and they weren’t living up to any expectations outside of “be different than Apple and be better than Google”. I will def be salty here because MS had a great opportunity with windows phone and just blundered it. For every solid idea they have, it feels like they fumble 10000 other actually decent products).
I personally really appreciate that Apple has largely not changed the fundamentals of their OS in regards to the dock and menu bar - sure the dock is “new” as of OSX but that’s going on what, 20 years old now? At least? And the menu bar has been with us since always. Using native MS apps in 11 and not having a visible File menu drives me bonkers.
> I’m sorry I recognize that I’m a little salty on this topic but I do feel like the industry stole something important to the users, or at least if I’m honest, to me, which is the basic knowledge of how to use a computer.
I feel this. For the company I work for, we have an A11y group that is comprised of representatives from different departments (across engineering, product, marketing, and design) that meets regularly. Our component designs focus on accessibility, discoverability, and usability. If we are going to say “well we want a blue button with a drop shadow” instead of whatever the browser and OS do, fine, I’m going to make sure it’s still USABLE and accessible dammit. /rant
You have to remember that, besides the extra engineering effort, having a separate, native UI for each platform also increases the support burden for dealing with people having issues with the program. Companies the size of Logitech bend over backwards to reduce their support costs, so it shouldn't be surprising that they opted for the path of least resistance here.
A switch that must be turned on (opt-in), rather than a switch that must be turned off (opt-out).
The novice bolted to attention and handed the device to the master. “I see that the device claims to have three levels of play: Easy, Medium and Hard”, said the master. “Yet every such device has another level of play, where the device seeks not to conquer the human, nor to be conquered by the human.”
“Pray, great master”, implored the novice, “how does one find this mysterious setting?”
The master dropped the device to the ground and crushed it underfoot.
And suddenly the novice was enlightened.
— The Tao of Programming, Geoffrey James
Asking on install just gives room to implement a dark pattern and trick people into opting in undesiredly anyway.
Or you can just use Solaar :) and don’t feel bad about it, you already gave Logitech money for the freaking mouse.
All I wanted to do is turn off the rainbow LEDs
Next time I get a new mouse I'll try Solaar.
I have experience with Dell and Apple keyboards on Linux, and they don't suffer from this issue. The problem is not terrible, but requires a special udev rule to exclude them from powersaving, which is annoying.
So, just turn off the mouse and blow in it a few times. It will work normally for a few days after that.
I found this solution on approximately the 12th page of a Google search ~9 years ago. Every other solution was wrong.
What I understood is, the switches on these mice (I have G700) are practically abuse-proof. However, they don’t like to be used lightly and start to glitch possibly from fine dust. Using the switches more aggressively cleans them up.
My first generation G700 still works great.
Maybe for some of the newer mice it’s an easier ordeal, though.
But that's only me, of course.
I’m about to open my second bottle. My first bottle is from the 1990’s.
I found replacement switches for $10 on amazon, pre-wired with little plug, easy enough to install with just a micro-screwdriver, no soldering. This problem is common enough that there is a good selection of different switch brands/types available. Fantastic. Not disappointed at all anymore, honestly.
I removed a switch from the Pi 400 desktop kit mouse I had laying around and replaced it with that.
Upgraded the slider pads while I had everything apart. These actually made more of a difference than I anticipated.
Virtually brand new, although amuses me that left and right click sound different now.
My suggestion to use the bolt reciever was in response to that.
Why you suggest to me and parent to just forget about it because you have such great experience is depressing to me.
I have the MX Master 3 and MX Keys Mini. Using Solaar on Linux for 2.5 years without a single issue.
I did have more issues using pure bluetooth with an external bt antenna (intel bluetooth hardware).
This thread is about Solaar and i suggested parent try the reciever to resolve their bad connectivity.
You telling us that your macbook is great helps who exactly?
I am a solaar user on arch linux, btw ;-)
Just discovered the bloody AI prompt builder enabled by default in my mouse driver today. After patiently declining input recording permission for months.
Managed to get rid of the most of bloatware using their corporate "Offline" version which supposedly doesn't phone home and doesn't ask for extra permissions. YMMV.
https://support.logi.com/hc/en-us/articles/11570501236119-Lo...
That's so wild I had to go and look up what that could possibly mean. What a world we live in. https://www.logitech.com/en-us/software/logi-ai-prompt-build...
On Windows that is what I do to make sure behavior is consistent across applications.
You can map the buttons and add chords. The only thing it might lack is being able to use mouse movement as a trigger (eg hold the back button and move left to change spaces). Still looking for it
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29056847
Wacom's drivers collect and send both application and window title names to them. It still does, even after all the outrage.
Linux has stuff like Solaar and Piper/libratbagd, which is great. For macOS, it looks like SteerMouse does quite nicely, even for mice with many extra buttons. So does G-Hub have any alternatives like this on Windows? It would make recommending Logitech mice to Windows-bound friends and family so much easier.
(My favorite forever for these reasons was Roccat, everything their mice can do they can do onboard. Configure your mouse once and you can purge whatever software you've used to do it if you don't like it, without limitations. But hardware quality control with them has long been iffy, and I think since their buyout by Turtle Beach it will only get worse.)
I have never had a mouse whose buttons failed until I bought a logitech. Every person I know raves about them until you ask them how many they've had to buy.
OTOH, it speaks terribly of their quality; a mouse should work fine for 10-20 years, like some mice from 20 years ago.
And I say "replacements" because they all didn't last very long, until I got the memo and started buying decent stuff from brands like... logitech. And then there is the conundrum of going with something even more "premium" than a logitech, there's very little guarantee it's really gonna last. You may be paying twice as much for it but it still ends up lasting about as long.
I won’t claim to be a statistically representative sample, but from my experience their high-end stuff is expected to break after between 2 to 3 years. I kept going back to them because the hardware is very nice when it works. I gave up and bought a Razer Naga about 3 years ago. Hopefully it fares better in the long run.
They're mostly M100(?) mice from the MK120 combos. They basically all start doubleclicking eventually.
They're not all from my personal computer though, probably from about 8 different PCs.
I wouldn't buy a cheap mouse from them again.
It seems most-useful to make sure it is only a USB 2 cable, without the extra USB 3 data lines.
(USB 3 makes a ton of noise at ~2.4GHz. They could have spread out emissions and dialed them down, but they stuck them in the same trash band that microwave ovens [and mouse dongles] use because... well, it's cheaper and easier that way.]
USB3's high speed produces EM inference with some receivers.
IIRC, there are three types of dongles: the old basic ones, that only work with one particular device, the not-that-old "unifying" dongles (they have a red logo with a star or ray of light), and the new ones that are called "bolt" (green logo with a bolt in it).
I have mostly experience with the "unifying" receivers. Those can pair to any "unifying" compatible device, and keep connections with up to 6 devices. Bolt dongles work similarly but with better encryption.
We issue the wireless keyboards/mice kit as it is cheaper than swapping a proprietary keyboard in your laptop, and less likely to give users an RSI (really not funny if you are a Jr and have to learn this the painful way.) =3
For servers and desktop towers, a cabled solution is more secure... and never runs out of batteries. YMMV =3
I use it mostly to adjust the point where the scrollwheel no longer ratchets and just freewheels (Logitech put an electrically actuated lever that controls the ratchet into their mice), Solaar has an option to tune it, it works amazingly.
Not to mention how you can bind keyboard shortcuts to specific "gestures" using the palm button.
Solaar is awesome, thank you, Solaar devs!
- Lets build a plug-in that can put an AI prompt builder under a mouse button!
- But nobody would download and use it!
- You're right, lets force-feed it through our main app!
My understanding is most for driver code is written in C or C++. The 'new' way of developing - the kernel development is in Rust.
How can this work that is written in pure Python?
The normal Linux drivers implement what's needed to receive the HID message. This just handles some vendor specific messages on top of that. A bit like how a program can send a custom vendor specific TCP message on top of the existing OS network drivers without having to itself be a kernel level network driver.
Solaar is not a device driver and responds only to special messages from devices that are otherwise ignored by the Linux input system
Sounds like this isn't working at the kernel level.
fast forward to today, and the hardware industry has made great advancements in standardizing how devices operate. memory-mapped I/O allows the OS to treat many device drivers the same, they just need to handle manipulation of the memory after it's read/written. for USB, the industry standardized on device classes , so something either acts like a communication device (serial port, JTAG reader), an audio device, a video capture device, or in this case, an HID (human interface device). So based on the general characteristics of how the thing operates, the kernel can do 80% or more of the driver development for you. especially because of the linux credo that "everything is a file"
you plug in a usb dongle and you get (hypothetically) a few files called /sys/class/hid/<serialnum>/{control, data}. so you could, say, change the RF channel of the dongle by writing a very specific value to the "control" file, which will get sucked in by the kernel and sent to the device. Or you could get raw kb/mouse data by catting the .../data file. this would in theory, allow you to write a device driver in python by connecting the .../data file to a read handler, processing the input (the hard part, which requires reverse engineering), and emitting the corresponding output, such as the OS command to move the mouse or generate a keyboard event.
I made some generalizations here, but this is the main idea.
Consider this screenshot[1] of additional options on Logitech trackball + ofc pairing control
[1] https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/2cZcZiNk/image.png
In general, custom configuration on both mice (DPI, refresh rate, etc) and keyboards (tactile response settings [See https://wooting.io/], hot binds, etc).
It's a nice to have (almost to the point of necessity) especially when you go to LANs and need a consistent way to load your settings on a computer that's not yours.
But most Logitech devices have settings that can be changed. This allows you to change them.
Using this software, I disabled tap to click on my K400 Plus’s trackpad. Super useful.
It is an "install if needed" utility if your mouse seems dead after a battery change or wireless power cycle. =)
For instance, my mouse has a wheel which is also the middle button. To press the middle mouse button, you click the wheel as if it were a button.
It also has another little middle button right in line with the wheel. That other button does not generate any scan codes or hid events.
All that button does is toggle the detent on/off for the wheel. It's effects are entirely within the mouse and does not talk to the host. Does not generate any mouse events or xev events or hid or scancodes etc.
The wheel detent toogle thing is, the wheel has some mass to it, and if the detent is off ,then the wheel can be flicked and it will spin freely for some time by inertia. This is great for zipping up or down in a long document.
But it also means that in free-wheeling mode, the wheel is always generating wheel movement events, since it's always moving. If you so much as look at it funny it moves a little, let alone actually intentionally handling and moving the mouse.
So mormally you want the detent mode on so that the wheel does not spin freely.
Having the middle mouse button be the wheel is extremely agrevating to me, because even in detent mode I can't press the middle button without also scrolling the wheel at least a little at the same time, except with annoying great care. It reeeeely screws up cad work.
Luckily, the mouse allows you to swap those two functions around. You can make it so that you click the wheel to toggle the wheel between detent and freewheel, and use the button as the middle mouse button.
Like I said, whichever button is acting as the detent-toggle, that button does not generate HID events. So you can't do this button remapping the normal way like you might swap left & right buttons for instance.
The official Windows software talks to the mouse and reconfigures something inside the mouse, via some special protocol of it's own.
Solaar does the same thing.
That is just one tiny example that isn't "control the rgb lights", there are others.
Actually even controlling the rgb lights is a real issue too.
I also have a keyboard that I wanted because it is mechanical and low profile and TKL layout (ten-key-less, full keyboard and edit/arrow blocks, but just no 10-key to the right of that.), and wireless including bluetooth so I don't need a dongle with my laptop normally, but still able to be used in bios/uefi because it comes with a usb receiver as well as supporting bluetooth.
That thing is pretty good in all those aspects, but it also has ^%$%#%% rgb lights, and the firmware in the keyboard defaults to a continuous disco show of changing colors. It's completely ridiculous.
You need to use the software to shut the damned lights off, or really not merely off but make them function just as normal backlights.
I'm not a gamer and do not want rgb lights, but I do want everything else about that keyboard, so a non-gamer needs an rgb gamer keyboard light control.
It has to do it's thing on every power cycle too. The setting isn't saved in the keyboard, the software has to perform the action over and over, either everytime the pc boots or every time the keyboard loses power or every time the keyboard goes to sleep and wake, I don't remember exactly which. I don't use that keyboard any more. And that api is not exposed through normal HID. The special software has to talk via it's special interface.
So that's another example.
It's the most basic function of a button that you can press it, and it alone.
And I don't know how many more times I could have repeated that I wanted the control over a goofy feature only to disable it. The only way to make that into something dismissable is by saying "you should either just enjoy the 24/7 disco light show or use some other keyboard"
Both are ridiculous invalid inconsiderate & ignorant. No one gets to tell anyone else that. It's perfectly reasonable to want a mechanical keyboard, or tenkeyless layout, or bios functionality, or bluetooth, and not rgb multicolor flashing lights. And it's perfectly valid to have landed on some particular model that is available that hits almost all the tickboxes one cares about and just have some particular thing that needs to be changed somehow.
And all this whole thread answering the parent question is just explaining why the software exists and the fact that the normal driver interface does not handle these aspects of driving the hardware.
Why in the world would you even care? What in the world is even the point of hearing that explaination of a simple technical thing, and trying to say "that's why you need it? so you don't need it then"? Like in what way does this affect you even the slightest?
Where does that instinc come from? It sure is common though.
Keyboard was G915 TKL. I didn't keep using it though. What I really want is a tenkeyless mx keys, but failing that I'm using a full mx keys.
Some of my other current favorites are:
- CoolerControl (https://gitlab.com/coolercontrol/coolercontrol) - fan control/curve designer/temp sensor overview tool. Seriously awesome tool!
- LACT (https://github.com/ilya-zlobintsev/LACT) - AMD GPU tool for overclocking, etc. Anything you would do with the radeon app on windows
- BoatSwain (https://flathub.org/apps/com.feaneron.Boatswain) - Elgato StreamDeck tool
I would like to have some custom micro controller/ZMK based mouse that I can pair with say my wireless split keyboard. Logitech has OK hardware but they don't have basic functionality like sync switching between devices - this would easily be handled by OSS firmware.
- Mouse bodies are harder to make, since they generally have more complex curves compared to a flat keyboard. 3d printing helps a lot, but you don't get the same durability or quality as injection molding
- Mouse sensors are strangely hard to find. The "good" sensors on a lot of the high-end mice are difficult to find as individual components. From a quick look at what custom mice exist, they'll often cannibalize an existing mouse for components rather than order things from say DigiKey, like you can for keyboard components
With solaar on Linux, the thing work flawlessly. On Windowsthe device is not supported by the official firmware so no gesture or click. It's a shame !
My mouse has two side buttons, and I bind one of them plus scrollwheel to virtual desktop switching. Unfortunately this takes complete control of your scrollwheel, so you need to experiment with the rules a little in order to avoid performance issues.
Honorable mention: https://github.com/PixlOne/logiops/, although its rules are much less powerful.
I gas-up my car when my tank is below 1/4, so it's a little disconcerting to have a red battery indicator with an exclamation point on it...not enough to actually want to use it with the cable plugged in, but still...
I wonder why setting DPI and stuff like that were never added to the standards so the baseline drivers can use them?
I love this keyboard's feel, but I need to switch to wired-only for $reasons.
That said, before getting the MX keys I bought a Dell 7440 keyboard on ebay for $20, fastened it on top of a 6mm clear acrylic plate with M3 screws, along with a Teensy chip running kbd firmware:
https://www.instructables.com/How-to-Make-a-USB-Laptop-Keybo...
If a keyboard has both wired-USB and some wireless technology, it's conceivable that physically disabling the wireless module(s) would be allowable.
I guess there are two possible hurdles: (1) getting permission, and (2) finding a keyboard in which I can disable the wireless module without causing too much havoc with the rest of the electronics and/or with the firmware.
(1) It's out of production AFAICT, and (2) one thing I really appreciate about the MX Keys is the indented key caps.
IIUC, if I'm willing to put together my own keyboard, I can ensure it's wired-only and I can have the key caps that I like.
The only remaining challenge at that point (I think) is finding switches with a similar feel. This is the part that's tripped me up in the past:
I've bought a few switch testers (e.g., [0]), but all of the switches I tried were way more clicky than I wanted. I really like the travel-distance, gentle landing, and relatively quiet action of the MX Keys.
Based on [0], it sounds like what I'm looking for is something like "fake PerfectStroke" keys.
The problem is, I LOVE my 8-programmable buttons and there isn’t another mouse I’ve been able to find that approaches the number of buttons and ergonomics of the G602.
The price I’m willing to pay for the right mouse is absurdly high, but it isn’t $200 for a mouse that dies within a year due to shitty switches.
Seems you need to know the exact keycodes, or names, or whatever key you want to use. Like XF86_MonBrightnessUp. Want to add a combo? not sure how to do that either.
I rarely need it; now BT mice work quite well, but sometimes, to avoid pairing one mouse with a new device (and losing the previous one), I will use it.
Bullet dodged.
I wish Solaar got ported to Windows.
works okay with intel ax-210 chipaet/driver on one machine but on another machine i can only get both to pair to a bluetooth 4 (le) dongle but not bluetooth 5+ chipset (realtek or intel 9560). not sure if bluez bug or btusb driver or smth :(
any tips?
